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  1. Compumind's Avatar
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       12 Oct 2018 #11

    IAmNoOne said: View Post
    sorry but any one with any sense turns that mic off as soon as that screen comes up, ESPECIALLY if you are being paid to install windows. the VAST majority of us know this.
    Perhaps you should think a bit before you speak.

    Just so happens that the webcam in question was on a shelf, not in plain sight.
    Your remark is very critical, IMHO.

    Sorry that by your standards, I am imperfect.

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  2. Compumind's Avatar
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       12 Oct 2018 #12

    crackhammer said: View Post
    Is this a desktop?
    Yes, as mentioned in my first post.

    Just "mute" the microphone in the setup and that is the end of the issue.

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       12 Oct 2018 #13

    Any helpful tip, is always a welcome one, thanks
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  4. Compumind's Avatar
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       12 Oct 2018 #14

    sn00ker said: View Post
    Any helpful tip, is always a welcome one, thanks.
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  5.    12 Oct 2018 #15

    Compumind said: View Post
    Hi all -

    A few days ago I had to reinstall W10 Pro on a desktop system at a client of mine.

    As I was starting the install process, the client had a few quick questions which I answered for him.
    Little did I know, that the "conversation" was going to screw-up the install badly.

    Here's why...

    When you reach the following screen in the W10 installer, it is time to make some selections for the setup.

    Clean Install Windows 10 | Windows 10 Tutorials

    I noted that the client had a webcam attached to the system, but paid little attention to it.
    As most of us know, webcams have two parts, a camera and <smile> a microphone.

    He also had speakers but they were turned completely off.

    Attachment 207944

    Now look at this picture and note where the Red Arrow is pointing to.
    It's pointing to a small Microphone Icon that is set to on in it's default state.

    Well, the OS (Cortana like voice recognition) was listening to our conversations and using that as input to make all the screen selections! My client gazed at the screen a few times over my shoulder but said nothing.

    Eventually, enough was said to change the country and keyboard type before I went to finish and install.
    I had no idea!

    Obviously, when Win10 was ready, I couldn't understand why things were not working they way they were supposed to and it took me some time to figure it all out and correct the configuration problems.

    So Microsoft, hear this:

    Change your setup routine to disable the microphone by default and have a short advisory displayed for people who have a microphone during setup. Some desktop systems have a microphone attached and many, many laptops come with it as standard.

    Yes, you could click on the microphone icon to mute it (as I now do) but what about those who have no idea what could really happen.

    By disabling the microphone by default, this potential problem becomes a non-issue.
    Anyone can re-engage it!

    This was my experience which I duplicated in my test lab at home.

    If you are doing a desktop install with a webcam, either mute the microphone icon on the setup screen or better yet, unplug it. It's rare, but it shows how something so trivial can lead to headaches in some cases.

    Just wanted to share this wild experience with all of you...

    Best,

    Compumind
    Cortana tells you immediately you can turn it off if you like. Hardly MS's fault you did not listen!

    It makes no sense to turn it off by default - how will you know to turn it on without another information screen which most users will probably ignore.

    If you do not connect to the Internet as installing, it is off anyway.
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  6.    12 Oct 2018 #16

    @cereberus the speakers were turned off, thus he never heard cortona. She heard them though.
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  7.    12 Oct 2018 #17

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    @cereberus the speakers were turned off, thus he never heard cortona. She heard them though.
    I still do not see that as sufficient justification to change the default. Most PCs use internal speakers and they are on during installation.

    This is a bit of a special case i.e. using external speakers and having them turned off.
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  8.    12 Oct 2018 #18

    cereberus said: View Post
    I still do not see that as sufficient justification to change the default. Most PCs use internal speakers and they are on during installation.

    This is a bit of a special case i.e. using external speakers and having them turned off.
    I was just pointing out that he didn't hear Cortana is all, and wasn't aware he was in an assisted install. The other is debatable.
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       12 Oct 2018 #19

    cereberus said: View Post
    I still do not see that as sufficient justification to change the default. Most PCs use internal speakers and they are on during installation. This is a bit of a special case i.e. using external speakers and having them turned off.
    My new desktop has a small device that emits beeps for POST and other issues (like diagnostic codes.)
    It is not a speaker. I haven't tested the VR on a laptop and have no intention to do so.

    Please see this...

    Code:
    https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000725.htm
    A simple one-line notification alerting you that voice recognition is on would be a very doable thing, IMO.

    I started this thread as a heads-up to a very unusual situation. I'm leaving it at that, lol.
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  10.    12 Oct 2018 #20

    I would rather it was off by default and be prompted / asked if I wanted to go that route. Just personal choice really. Now that I know its there, I just disable it. Some stuff you still have to type in anyway.
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