Microsoft needs to refocus on Windows 10 fundamentals - Mary Jo Foley

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  1.    11 Oct 2018 #50

    pparks1 said: View Post
    Better support for what? Linux is a very stable and reliable platform already. I am a Linux systems engineer. I run and support hundreds of Linux servers at work.
    I have a Windows 10 laptop at work, and have a Windows 10 desktop at home. Primarily I use a Macbook Pro at home.
    Better support for Gaming. I have read that most games only support Windows but with project Proton now in beta I'am having more hope now.

    Steam for Linux :: Introducing a new version of Steam Play
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  2.    11 Oct 2018 #51

    Redbatman said: View Post
    I'm only on Windows for gaming. Once Linux gets better support I'm gonna jump ship.
    Wonder how many people here have Linux?
    that is the only reason I stick with Windows 10 as my main pc. Gaming ability. Iíve got a Mac which is much better and doesnít do unpredictable things or get updates every five seconds. Itís not perfect but itís far less likely to get my blood pressure on the rise. If macs werenít so super expensive and lame for games I would of turned my back on windows long ago. That being said Iíll take windows 7 over 10 and Mac OS any day. The last great OS that never bit me unexpectedly. Pretty rock solid. And no ultra unreliable modern store based apps!

    MS needs to stop this twice a year feature update release. Even once a year is too much. Itís causing far too much grief. Bugs piling ontop of bugs. Things breaking left right and centre. No idea how long your pc will be supported and continue to be offered updates until it falls off Microsoftís VIP list. And how does a normal person interpret say a specs list for say a game? A game may say works on windows 10 but maybe itíll only work on certain versions. Thereís no guarantee what works today will work tomorrow or in a few years

    they just seem to want to update update update. Change for sake of change as if itís something to brag about. They even do it with the store apps. Mail and calendar app has been updated many times over this year alone. Even the calculator app has been updated several times in windows 10. I mean why does an app like this need updating so much, itís a calculator! And of course with every update there is the risk they break it. My voice recorder app is a case example, last update they released 2 or 3 weeks ago broke if and itís been redundant ever since. Ok I donít use it much at all but itís unacceptable they felt the neeed to update and broke it for a fair few people. Tweeting MS or reporting feedback is futile as it gets ignored or a canned response. Itís just more change for sake of it. It needs to stop because most users donít want constant updates. Pretty sick of it, I just want to turn my machine on and complete a session of computing without some update infesting it. But day by day now you never know what your going to get hit by

    and as I write this I see a post about the Xbox October update going live! Give me strength, not content with trying to cripple PCs they are now making our Xbox one play Russian roulette yet again. I know itís likely to be fine but even a small percentage game of chance is too much in my eyes. I havenít got the time or money to go about fixing any damage they may or may not do
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       11 Oct 2018 #52

    I will just say this:


    • Instead of two, get at one major upgrade per year, two is too much for developers, they have proved more than once that they can't possibly maintain this rate, they are way too... careless, to say the less.
    • Can't they just return options to manually install updates? I am one of the few persons maybe tat likes to install them, but when I NEED TO, not whenever they want to. I like to wait to the updates are ready enough to be installed and not cause problems, or even miss stuff (Latest updates for 1803 were a proof of that, they pulled out a KB and re released because, again, they were careless enough to miss something)
    • Hire more capable people, at this point I?m assuming you have the cheapest possible people coding an OS, and that is very expensive :V
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       11 Oct 2018 #53

    FerchogtX said: View Post
    I will just say this:


    • Instead of two, get at one major upgrade per year, two is too much for developers, they have proved more than once that they can't possibly maintain this rate, they are way too... careless, to say the less.
    • Can't they just return options to manually install updates? I am one of the few persons maybe tat likes to install them, but when I NEED TO, not whenever they want to. I like to wait to the updates are ready enough to be installed and not cause problems, or even miss stuff (Latest updates for 1803 were a proof of that, they pulled out a KB and re released because, again, they were careless enough to miss something)
    • Hire more capable people, at this point I?m assuming you have the cheapest possible people coding an OS, and that is very expensive :V
    On that point - quote from Mary Jo:

    "Speaking of testing, it's widely known that Microsoft let go a bunch of its Windows testers back in 2014, substituting flighting and new unit testing procedures in their stead. I don't think Microsoft will reverse this course and bring back testing as a separate discipline. But they could improve their testing procedures and supporting infrastructure as part of a return to a focus on fundamentals."
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       11 Oct 2018 #54

    Redbatman said: View Post
    I'm only on Windows for gaming. Once Linux gets better support I'm gonna jump ship.
    Wonder how many people here have Linux?
    I do. I've been using it for years, and now it's my main daily driver. I have to keep a foot in the Windows world to support my partner as she works on her PhD - she has to use lots of Windows-only software - so I dual-boot.

    This episode has been unbelievably poorly handled. Just the confusion in this Forum is an indication of this. Rumors, misinformation, nobody knows what's going on. IMO, 'nobody' extends right on up into Microsoft. I so much wanted MS to do better with Windows, but it's gotten away from them. Too complex, too many hardware/software permutations, too many layers of cruft.

    I've been a MS customer since their only product was a BASIC interpreter, but I have had enough. I guess I'll probably dual-boot Windows forever, though. As long as my partner needs support.
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       11 Oct 2018 #55

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    On that point - quote from Mary Jo:

    "Speaking of testing, it's widely known that Microsoft let go a bunch of its Windows testers back in 2014, substituting flighting and new unit testing procedures in their stead. I don't think Microsoft will reverse this course and bring back testing as a separate discipline. But they could improve their testing procedures and supporting infrastructure as part of a return to a focus on fundamentals."
    Then MS will pay the price. Users will switch to Linux or something else if MS cannot release a product that works. This one size fits all Philosophy of theirs is Horse Hockey.
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  7.    11 Oct 2018 #56

    Josey Wales said: View Post
    Then MS will pay the price. Users will switch to Linux or something else if MS cannot release a product that works. This one size fits all Philosophy of theirs is Horse Hockey.
    Josey Well said! MS are rapidly loosing user confidence, if they don't improve on the delivered product users will treat them like VW that is, loss of consumer confidence.
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       11 Oct 2018 #57

    Stitch194 said: View Post
    Josey Well said! MS are rapidly loosing user confidence, if they don't improve on the delivered product users will treat them like VW that is, loss of consumer confidence.
    We're not consumers. Licensees.
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  9. Josey Wales's Avatar
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       11 Oct 2018 #58

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    We're not consumers. Licensees.
    No we are Right To Users if you have to be perfect.
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  10.    11 Oct 2018 #59

    There should be a like button for Josey Wales last comment so +1
    :)
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